“You fell asleep again, didn’t you?”

On this week’s Defense Nerds Podcast, Military Times Deputy Editor Leo Shane and Defense News Capitol Hill Bureau Chief Joe Gould talk about the 21-hour marathon mark-up of the annual defense authorization bill by the House Armed Services Committee. Like the lawmakers, both stayed up well past their bedtimes to track the event.

The hosts break down why the NDAA is significant, what the main points of friction were and what a divided committee vote (33 to 24) means for the future of the legislation. Congress has managed to work through its political differences on the legislation for 58 consecutive years.

The pair also discuss President Donald Trump’s plans to change the paint scheme on Air Force One, and why military paint controversies are suddenly in the news.

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Leo covers Congress, Veterans Affairs and the White House for Military Times. He has covered Washington, D.C. since 2004, focusing on military personnel and veterans policies. His work has earned numerous honors, including a 2009 Polk award, a 2010 National Headliner Award, the IAVA Leadership in Journalism award and the VFW News Media award.

Joe Gould was the senior Pentagon reporter for Defense News, covering the intersection of national security policy, politics and the defense industry. He had previously served as Congress reporter.

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